"If you wait until you're ready, you will never do it. Just take one small step to get unstuck." — Dr. Lani Jones

Dr. Lani Jones, Clinical Psychologist, Executive Coach, and Speaker, joins Vanessa to share how third time’s the charm when learning to step off conventional tracks. Lani spent a decade training to become a clinical psychologist at a major children's hospital, only to find the healthcare system treated her like she was easily replaceable. As she put it, "I was just a number in the system; they just wanted my productivity units." She walked away to launch a private practice. Though it was flourishing, she knew five years in that it was time for another change. So, she reinvented herself again: she closed her clinic, sold her home, and hit the road as an executive coach and full-time nomad living across mountain towns.

When former Milken National Educator of the Year Brian Page realized how subtle workplace biases and domestic care gaps sideline ambitious women, he stepped away from an 80-hour-per-week career to fully support his wife’s corporate trajectory. Today, as the founder of Modern Husbands, he uses evidence-based research to help couples manage money and domestic labor as a unified team, break the traditional link between masculinity and breadwinning, take full ownership of the household mental load, and build systems that let both partners thrive.